Online Job Boards and ideas of how to use them

I recently discuss the practice of Searching online for a Job with the job seekers @ FPCJobs.

This is what they had to offern regarding their experiences on Job Boards

What Works?

Write a post about – what do recruiters look for on LinkedIN –

How to deal with resume & LinkedIn profile not jiving?

Since <20 percent of the jobs are listed on the normal job boards, spend about 1 hour a day (12%)

Even thought the aggregator sites (Simply Hired, Indeed & LinkedIn) pull from everyone, it’s still wise to search the individual boards & create a Search agent.

Don’t bounce around from site to site at one sitting. It’s a waste of good time to network and do informational interviews

Some of the better ways of finding a job opportunities:

  • walk into the company
  • call the HR Manager
  • connect with people who can help you
  • connect with hiring manager, employees, relevant people (ask them to tell you their story)

Find contacts thru the groups you are involved in

This includes your civic groups and charitable groups

Apply for the job – then network your way into a discussion about the business and then the job.

When networking for a job opportunity, ask, “Will you introduce me face-face or at least email my cover letter message and resume & copy me so I know who to contact afterwards?

WHen you apply for a job – make sure your resume is TIGHT & RELEVANT to that job

Don’t apply for jobs with non-specific resumes

Quote of the day “You have to go thru the internet” Yes, we always have to go thru the internet to apply for a job.

Connect with relevant people at the company you are applying for a job and ask them questions about the business.

Look for contact info and try to connect and send a resume to them – if you do, make sure they are aware that you want them to introduce you to the hiring manage

If I find a good job online – email it to yourself and review completely later on.

Keep all correspondence with Job code info – Keep all info regarding who you contacted, emailed, called, talked with about every job.

Setup Search agents on Monster.com, Careebuilder.com, Indeed.com, Simply Hired.com, (etc, etc)

Filter the job listings properly so that your Search Agents send you the best possible jobs

Search Agent Emails

Many are NOT relevant & even Crap – This is mostly your fault – clean them up and change the search criteria to get a better result.

It is best to distribute Focused resumes, never use a generic and/or OK resume.

Your Resume should be supported by what you Put on LinkedIn profile. (not an exact copy of your resume)

WHER DO Job Boards FAIL

Applying for search at-home jobs (NEVER PAY)

Watch fee based services –

Ladders tries to get you to pay

LinkedIn will encourage you to pay

You (generally) do not need to pay for any of these resources

Dups happen often – try to find a way to refine search to get rid of the dups

Otherwise you will have to Ignore the companies you don’t want to work at & the dup positions

If at all possible, DON”T apply thru Job Board – go directly to the company page or recruiter page. However this is not always possible – just try to when you can.

Get a Job or Start a business

Today @ TJSN West we discussed the option of starting a business instead of getting a job.

It was a good discussion because there were a few people in the discussion who had either had small business or were considering a small business.

Anthony DiFiglia led the discussion with a bunch of good points to consider

One generally discounted idea is to consider a Franchise. Anthony shared some of his research that uncovered that a Franchise can be as inexpensive as a few thousand dollars. Some online resources to consider for researching a franchise is Entrepreneur.com.

There are two people in the Triad who are great resource for franchise options.

Meg Marion and Bob Kober. They both own their own franchise in The Entrepreneur’s Source. Both of these good folks are eager to talk with anyone considering a franchise and helping them decide if A – is a Franchise a good option and B – what Franchise option should they consider.

Anthony offered a very relevant point about starting your own business instead of getting a job. “If you have a passion for something that can generate enough income to support you, look for someone to fund your ideas to get you in business.”

Some ideas that Anthony researched for us included:

(The Links I provided below are for your use to explore, evaluate and consider for yourself. I make no recommendations or referrals)

United Parcel Service Depot Franchise

Get into a Multi-Level Marketing business (Shaklee, Nature’s Pearl, Amway)

Buy truck route like Boar’s Head Provisions, Wise Snacks, Utz Snacks, Herr’s Snacks, etc.

There are lots of Business Opportunities published thru sites like Craig’s List. – Evaluate carefully

There are also lots of ways to make money thru Online businesses such as Etsy, Online Garage Sales, etc.  Research, references, knowledge and risk assessments are key considerations when starting or acquiring an online business (heck – any business)

A few other ideas that popped up during our discussion were to start a business in

Selling stuff thru Consignment shops

Start a Laundry, grocery, drug delivery business. (Make sure the drug delivery work is for legitimate over the counter or prescription drugs. You don’t want to end up in jail)

Start a Shuttle business where you pickup kids at school and take them to the doctors, after school events, church events, etc. Risk – make sure you have good insurance.

Buy some land and build a Storage Center. Technology can help you build a storage center where you don’t hire anyone.

Another good point raised by the Anthony is to find a business that is resistant to the economy. Some ideas that came up during the discussion is to look at what people are buying or doing for Mommies & Babies, Kids Sports, elder care, etc.

One person in the group counseled us to always put together a business plan. This is important because a Plan is what we use to guide us in our business. Forsyth Technical Community College and Guilford Tech Community College have Small Business Centers that any small business owner or startup can get business startup guidance.

It was a good conversation. If you have the desire, attitude, passion and an idea for a business, consider starting a business instead of getting a job.

Just a thought.

Don’t jump in the bed too fast

These were words of wisdom a good friend gave me this morning.

Get together and have coffee a few times. Make the conversation pleasant and enjoyable. Talk about stuff that interests the other person.

Then, if nothing seems amiss or wrong, go get a burger together. Maybe have some fries, but you eat your own and have them eat theirs, no sharing fries yet. Make the conversation again about stuff that is relevant to the other person and they will do the same for you.

If all seems pretty good, maybe do lunch again. I still suggest, that you don’t share the fries yet.

Each step along the way shake up the conversation a little bit more. Talk broad and varied, but not too deep yet. Be careful treading into the relationship expectation conversations. I don’t think you are ready for this yet.

The next time you get together, maybe you can consider dinner. Nothing grand, maybe a pizza shop or local deli. Don’t over order and don’t order a “soda.”

The conversation should get broader and even more varied. Maybe, just maybe, throw in a pinch of politics or a dash of religion, but keep it soft and simple. Gently mix in just a little bit of relationship expectations. Don’t get upset if the expectations don’t start out mutually beneficial. This is not uncommon.

After a few dinners together you could consider going to their place for dinner and more open conversations. Be careful though, you’re making yourself more vulnerable at this point.

The first time you go to their place, have a clearly stated “up front contract.”  Maybe a lunch or a dinner and good open chatting. Then END the visit with bye-bye without stepping into actions that are not reversible.

Just because you go to their place does not mean you have to keep doing this each time you get together going forward. It’s OK to go back to coffee, lunch or dinner at a deli for the next gatherings.

Do this dance for as long as you feel it should take before you go all the way. Be clear about each others decision making process. Once you take that plunge it’s nearly impossible to get back out without some difficulty.

Get to know the other people involved, there are always many different personalities that you will have to be able to like, tolerate or figure out how to deal with when you start down the relationship path.

Good conversations, open discussions, getting to know each other, trust each other, respect each other and hopefully enjoy each other’s company are key steps before you make that major leap of jumping into bed together.

Build a relationship based on honesty, transparency and respect.

This dance is the best way to do your job searching.

Then and only then, will you be happy with the job that you decide to take.

Still, don’t share the fries.

Applying for a Job

The discussions of the last Triad Job Search Network (West) meeting was all about Applying for a Job.

The points raised were very good based on the groups real life experiences.

Suggestions  included:

  • Ask questions when applying in person. It’s a conversation to determine if you are good fit and if the job is a good fit for you
  • Be prepared – do some research on the company, the hiring manager (if possible) and the business.
  • Have your references, addresses, contact info ready when asked. This means you have to had prompted your references that you are going to apply for a job where they may get called on.
  • Have your full resume available while applying for a job online. Regardless of in person on online, have your resume accessible so that you can reference it and/or cut & paste from it.
  • Keep track of all site logins – If you spend a lot of time on various recruiting sites, document the login information so that you don’t have to fumble the next time you apply or update an application.
  • Keep track of every job you apply for. It’s not a good thing to forget where and what jobs you applied for. Document everything about the companies and jobs you apply for. (Job Description, date applied, where you applied, etc)
  • When you can apply in person. Yes, you will likely need to apply on line because the HR department use these tools to manage candidates. However – applying in person, when you know the hiring manager, is the best way to apply for a job.
  • Kiosk applications – Retail sites require that you apply online. However, there can be value in meeting the managers of the different retail departments and at least let them know you are interested in working there. A hello, an exchange of names can help you get your resume viewed by the hiring manager, if this is done locally. It’s worth the few minutes it takes to say hello.
  • Always dress for a good job – First appearances are real – make it count. Period
  • Use LinkedIn & Facebook to find out who works there before applying. Social Media is your friend – get the most out of these tools. Search for the hiring manager or department head. Don’t stalk them or send a friend request blindly, but wouldn’t be great if your best friend is friends with the department head. Find out.
  • Spend time working on applying for the job, you do not need (and should not) rush thru filling out an application. It’s better to take your time and double check what you are entering. Mistakes could be costly. Typos may mean the difference between a conversation or not.
  • During online Application questionnaires, pay attention to the questions you answer. Online applications sometimes ask the question in different ways to confirm your first answer. Pay attention. Period
  • If you find a job on Indeed, Simplyhired, etc, go directly to the company site and apply there instead. Cut down on the hops to submit your resume and while on their site, look around, see if there are other related openings or if you know or are connected to anyone at the company.
  • Don’t get so attached to your resume that you are not willing to change it to better reflect who you are relevant to the job you are applying for. Ask a friend to review your resume and make blunt recommendations.
  • Use glassdoor.com or salary.com to find the right salary to enter on the online application. What you enter will become the numbers they relate you too. Go too low and you leave $$ on the table, Go too high and you disqualify yourself. And, what ever numbers you enter you should be ready to take that job at that rate if you get an offer.
  • Apply for any job at the company you want to work at in order to get the conversation. During the conversation or interview you may find it’s the right job for you, or you could find another job much more relevant to you. However – be careful not to over do this tactic. Be sure of the company and the job opportunities relevant to you and your skills/experiences.
  • Take in consideration the benefits that that job has to offer when applying for it. It may not be just about the salary. The job may have good flexibility, vacation, insurance solutions, stock options or just a really cool place to work and grow  professionally.

These tips came from the Triad Job Search Network meeting. Every Wednesday Noon – 2pm @ the Maple Springs United Methodist Church in Winston-Salem NC.

See TJSN West Schedule for more dates and subjects.

I am Overqualified

Finding out that we are Overqualified when looking for a new job can be a difficult awakening.  And not just for the job seeker. It’s difficult for the hiring manager as well.

No one wants to be sitting in an interview and be told, “You are overqualified for this position.”  The hiring managers are just as unhappy that all of the really good candidates are overqualified.

To overcome this issue we first have to be honest with ourselves.

Hopefully we want the job for all of the right reasons, specifically all of these 6 key points:

  • I really like, trust and respect the company, it’s business culture and products
  • I have passion for the industry
  • I really want to work for this manager and on his team
  • I love the work I will be expect to be doing
  • I like the compensation package that I expect the job will provide
  • I want to realign myself in a different position so that I can use my skills & experience to provide value to a new team & organization

If I am honest about these 6 key points, then this is likely the job for me.

And, it’s unlikely that I will jump ship just because a possibly better job shows up.

On the other side of the table the hiring manager has similar struggles.  He wants to hire me because:

  • I have a stronger set of skills
  • I have significant relevant experience
  • i have the right attitude
  • He believes I would be a good fit into the company’s culture and future.

But, he fears that I will jump ship as soon as I find a higher paying and/or better job.  This is a fear that many hiring managers never overcome and overqualified candidates are the first ones they fear this will happen to.

If all of these issues are real, there still may be a way to change the hiring manager’s mind and get him to accept me as a real candidate despite the issue of being overqualified.

Many candidates would say things like, “Oh, no, I would never leave for a better job” or “No way, I don’t want the stress that management level creates ever again.” Or even worse, “Trust me, I will never leave once you hire me.”  I know that these quotes will never work and the last one is just creepy.

In order to have any chance of overcoming the issue of being overqualified, I need to follow these guidelines:

  1. Be 100% honest with myself regarding the 6 key points above
  2. Let the hiring manager know about the value I put into these key points
  3. Share with the hiring manager my honest, personal and professional evaluation and consideration of the position & company
  4. Again, be 100% honest with myself regarding the 6 key points above

Following these points does not guarantee that the hiring manager will change his mind.

What it does do is insure that if you do get hired you will have a more positive attitude and all parties involved will benefit.

So, in conclusion, once you honestly convince yourself that this is the right job for you, then and only then do you have a chance at convincing the hiring manager and maybe, getting the right job for you.

Important Job Attribute

I am working with numerous Job Search groups and lots of good people searching for that next job.

I talk with lots of our unemployed friends every day.  Each of them have a different idea of what that next job has to be.

I hear lots of different job attributes from these folks.  Stuff like:

  • Income
  • Good Boss or supervisor
  • Work / Life Balance
  • Team Environment
  • A mental challenge
  • Pleasant working Environment
  • Growth in my career
  • Benefits
  • Stability

After hearing so many different answers, I decided to push this question out to as many people as possible.

If you are looking for a Job, what is the most important attribute of your next job?

Click Here to Answer this question please

Thanks for your help

Did you know this?

Everybody was sure there was an important job to be done. Everybody was sure Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it. Everybody got angry about that because it was Somebody’s job. Everybody thought Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody would not do it. It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done.

– Author Unknown

Reposted with permission from Motivational Moments by Nigel Alston

Get Noticed – It could get you a Job

I received this email this morning.  A small testament to the benefits of participating on LinkedIn. (I changed the names and locations to protect the privacy of the people involved.)

“Good morning Teddy;

Steve Yerga with Espress Roast Hotels is one of your 2nd Level LinkedIn Connections. He and I worked for the same parent company back in 1992-93. I was the Front Office Director at the VIA Books Hotels in Topeka KS and he was the Front Office Manager for the Sleepy Head Motels in FallBack Indiana. We even roomed together at an Espresso conference in DC.

After eighteen years of zero contact, he came across a Letter of Introduction I sent to one of his company’s properties a couple of weeks ago and we reconnected. I have an interview with him on Friday for a Hotel General Manager position in Withica NC.

Wish me luck.”

The opportunity to interview came from a well written letter of introduction to an unknown person and being seen participating on LinkedIn, thru someone else’s profile.

Participate on LinkedIn – It’s another way to be seen and it could make an interview happen.

Places you go

Bill Linton, Guest Blogger shared this message with us today:

It’s Saturday morning, no meetings, no requirements for my time, the rain is falling, it’s cold outside and I am at peace with who I am and what I have accomplished in my life so far. Are there places I want to go, things I want to do, and things I want to see and experience? You bet.

I guess that I was in the right frame of mind to open today’s News & Record and read David Brooks’ editorial entitled “Recall your life and write an essay”. He is writing to us “over 70” bunch but for you that are out of work, what an opportunity to find out who you really are and what your passion really is and design your “perfect job”.

You might never have this opportunity again. Do you know what your passion is? Do you know why you have not turned your passion into your perfect job?

A reminder “If you don’t know what your perfect job might be, how do you know when you find it? It’s all up to you. No one knows what “your” perfect job is. but you.

Some selected thoughts from Dr. Seuss’ book “Oh, the Places you’ll Go”.

Congratulations!
Today is your day.
You’re off to Great Places!
You’re off and away!You have brains in your head.
You have feet in your shoes.
You can steer yourself
any direction you choose.
You’re on your own. And you know what you know.
And YOU are the one who’ll decide where to go.

Out there things can happen
and frequently do
to people as brainy
and footsy as you.And then things start to happen,
don’t worry. Don’t stew.
Just go right along.
You’ll start happening too.You won’t lag behind, because you’ll have the speed.
You’ll pass the whole gang and you’ll soon take the lead.
Wherever you fly, you’ll be best of the best.
Wherever you go, you will top all the rest.

Except when you don’t.
Because, sometimes, you won’t.

I’m sorry to say so
but, sadly, it’s true
that Bang-ups
and Hang-ups
can happen to you.

You can get all hung up
in a prickle-ly perch.
And your gang will fly on.
You’ll be left in a Lurch

You’ll come down from the Lurch
with an unpleasant bump.
And the chances are, then,
that you’ll be in a Slump.And when you’re in a Slump,
you’re not in for much fun.
Un-slumping yourself
is not easily done.You will come to a place where the streets are not marked.
Some windows are lighted. But mostly they’re darked.
A place you could sprain both your elbow and chin!
Do you dare to stay out? Do you dare to go in?
How much can you lose? How much can you win?

And IF you go in, should you turn left or right…
or right-and-three-quarters? Or, maybe, not quite?
Or go around back and sneak in from behind?
Simple it’s not, I’m afraid you will find,
for a mind-maker-upper to make up his mind.

You can get so confused
that you’ll start in to race
down long wiggled roads at a break-necking pace
and grind on for miles cross weirdish wild space,
headed, I fear, toward a most useless place.
The Waiting Place…

…for people just waiting.
Waiting for a train to go
or a bus to come, or a plane to go
or the mail to come, or the rain to go
or the phone to ring, or the snow to snow
or the waiting around for a Yes or No
or waiting for their hair to grow.
Everyone is just waiting.

Waiting for the fish to bite
or waiting for the wind to fly a kite
or waiting around for Friday night
or waiting, perhaps, for their Uncle Jake
or a pot to boil, or a Better Break
or a string of pearls, or a pair of pants
or a wig with curls, or Another Chance.
Everyone is just waiting.

NO!
That’s not for you!

Somehow you’ll escape
all that waiting and staying
You’ll find the bright places
where Boom Bands are playing.

With banner flip-flapping,
once more you’ll ride high!
Ready for anything under the sky.
Ready because you’re that kind of a guy!

Oh, the places you’ll go! There is fun to be done!
There are points to be scored. There are games to be won.
And the magical things you can do with that ball
will make you the winning-est winner of all.
Fame! You’ll be as famous as famous can be,
with the whole wide world watching you win on TV.

Except when they don’t
Because, sometimes they won’t.

I’m afraid that some times
you’ll play lonely games too.
Games you can’t win
’cause you’ll play against you.

All Alone!
Whether you like it or not,
Alone will be something
you’ll be quite a lot.

And when you’re alone, there’s a very good chance
you’ll meet things that scare you right out of your pants.
There are some, down the road between hither and yon,
that can scare you so much you won’t want to go on.

But on you will go
though the weather be foul.
On you will go
though your enemies prowl.
On you will go
though the Hakken-Kraks howl.
Onward up many
a frightening creek,
though your arms may get sore
and your sneakers may leak.

On and on you will hike,
And I know you’ll hike far
and face up to your problems
whatever they are.

You’ll get mixed up, of course,
as you already know.
You’ll get mixed up
with many strange birds as you go.
So be sure when you step.
Step with care and great tact
and remember that Life’s
a Great Balancing Act.
Just never forget to be dexterous and deft.
And never mix up your right foot with your left.

And will you succeed?
Yes! You will, indeed!
(98 and 3/4 percent guaranteed.)

YOU’LL MOVE MOUNTAINS!

So…
be your name Buxbaum or Bixby or Bray
or Mordecai Ali Van Allen O’Shea,
You’re off the Great Places!
Today is your day!
Your mountain is waiting.
So…get on your way!

Have a great weekend and remember that the sun never stops shinning and if we did not ever have rain we would never have our appreciation for the blue sky and warm sunshine.

EGBAR

Bill